Glad that when leaving previous lab I got e-mail confirmation from postdoc advisor allowing me to pursue my ideas independently

As unnecessary as it may seem, always get it in writing, you never know ;)
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Dimitra Maoutsa

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August 13, 2025

When I left my previous lab, I was at least able to secure a written confirmation stating that I am free to pursue the idea I had proposed on using three-factor learning rules for training RNNs independently. While it might seem unusual to have to ask for permission to work on ideas you proposed and never worked on in the lab, in some situations it is simply prudent to have this documented. This discussion came after my former advisor had already ensured that competing labs which might have been open to collaborating on it with me would not do so. I suspect the assumption was that I would be unable to develop the work on my own because I would be occupied with other projects, given that my access to those labs had been blocked.

For context, I had originally been scheduled to co-supervise a Master’s student on this topic together with my former collaborator, Matt Getz. However, on 30th October 2024, I received an email informing me that this supervision would no longer take place, i.e. the student would get supervised only by Matt and not by both of us, but he would still be working on the idea I proposed.1 2

The only important thing to know is what happened on 29th October 2024, which would be absurd if this triggered my exclusion. On that day, I had a brief online chat with a prospective postdoctoral advisor. Instead of engaging with the details of my research, he seemed more interested in which other labs I had applied to, whether I was applying in the US, and who had supervised my project at the MCN summer school. Beyond the short overview I gave about my work as a whole, no further discussion on details of my research took place, especially the recent unpublished work that I pursued in my previous lab that was relevant. At the time, it felt odd; if someone isn’t interested in your research, that can easily be communicated over email. Now, why this meeting was followed by my exclusion from the project related to said advisor’s research is left as a riddle for the reader ;)3

I am sharing the email here so that, when I present my work in the future (which is based entirely on my own methods and does not use any material from the related project in my previous lab), there is no room for misrepresentation regarding the origin of the ideas or the work.

Screenshot from an email exchange where Dimitra Maoutsa sends a reminder to Julijana Gjorgjieva for finalising the agreement regarding the continuation of their 3 projects and Julijana replies with a long email claiming that she contacted the IP officie of the university and the obdusman and she considers our agreement void. Then proceeds to say that she doesnt allow Dimitra to send any of the 3 projects to Cosyne because she is not aware of the stage of any of the projects. Email date 14 October 2024

For the record this is the last stage of the project I was inovled in in my previous lab on a similar topic, with two-factor rules and low-rank recurrent networks, presented at the Bernstein Conference 2024 is here: Bernstein 2024 poster .4 And here is the presentation mentioned in the email where I proposed to employ three-factor rules to actually learn a task in a bio-plausible way in RNNs presentation 5.

Footnotes

  1. This came along with the invalidation of our written agreement (that my former postdoc advisor proposed to draft in the first place) on how to continue the three projects I was involved in, pretending a lack of records although we presented these three projects multiple times in conferences and she had final versions of posters, abstracts, my presentation slides etc. (At the end of my contract we presented all threee projects I was involved in at Bernstein Conference 2024, so my advisor was fully aware of the state of the projects. Moreover, my last day in the lab before leaving for Bernstein I gave a group meeting presentation that was quite extensive and lasted nearly two hours) Screenshot from an email from Julijana Gjorgjieva that states that we can independently work on three factor plasticity rules - Email date 31 October 2024↩︎

  2. For the record the transfer of the data mentioned in the email was completed in the following days through ways that I could prove whether a file was in my data or not. See here the exchange for the first batch of files, where I seemed to send a bunch of >7GB and the other side to receive only part of it (the one of the five 1.9GB chunks google drive was downloading) and here the second part with all my code Screenshot from an email to Dylan Festa where I give him the link to download the zip file with my code and ask to confirm the hash code - Email date 04 November 2024 and here is the confirmation that the file was received Screenshot from an email from Dylan Festa with confirmation of the hash code - Email date 05 November 2024 This was due to questionable authorship practices I observed happening in the lab. For example: - Cosyne 2023 abstract - May, Dauphin, Gjorgjieva , first preprint with the middle author/initiator of the idea/supervisor of the student omitted from the list and submitted to the journal as May, Gjorgjieva , final publication after several people nudged the omitted author to intervene and demand to be included in the publication here. The fact that the paper was submitted to the journal without the author who supervised and initiated the project is evident from the first decision letter of the reviewers, who refer to the paper as May and Gjorgjieva 2025↩︎

  3. Incidentally at that period some unnamed person believed that I had grants under review, and was trying by any means to damage my reputation and my credibility as a scientist to fail my grants (and also get access to their contents…). I pretty much predicted this behaviour since this was already happening before I left the lab and not only towards me.↩︎

  4. You might need to refresh several times to see the poster, but you can also use this link to see only the poster: only poster . This was the world wide neuro link that seems to not be working as of mid of October 2025 currently borken link↩︎

  5. The presentation was a joint one together with my collegues Matt Getz and Pablo Crespo (first part presented by matt, second by me, and third by Pablo).↩︎